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CelesteMcC
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I didn't know if this should go here, or in the "wish list" section...

Really. I mean it. There have been perfumes that used chocolate as the main note, but I've never found one that was just a lovely, true, dark chocolate, without any sour notes, fruit or florals. Maybe a touch of vanilla, maybe pepper... but mainly the essence of lovely dark almost-bitter chocolate. I'd bet it'd be seductive...

Ok, so maybe I'm just a little strange, but... Kristen, if anyone can do it, you can!

Celeste
 
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Not strange at all - I'd buy that! I'd wear that every day, too, and go through gallons of it.

Particularly if it were of the bittersweet spiked with pepper and perhaps a bit of spice. I've got something that is a sweet bakery type of chocolate, not as flat as a chocolate buttercream, deeper than that, but still closer to milk chocolate than the dark stuff. And I'd LOVE the dark stuff!!

-b.


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that'd be wonderful!


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CelesteMcC
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<ggg> glad to see others would love this! Weigh in, Aficionadi... Kristen, we're dreaming of chocolate afragrance wafting through the air...

I too, would go through gallons of the stuff.

Now dreaming of the Sprungli hand-made chocolates I had in Zurich. The dark truffle ones....
 
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Oooo this sounds divine!...and is making me hungry! Smile


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Ooh that would be gorgeous. Dark chocolate with the barest hints of pepper, cinnamon, cardamon pod, nutmeg, vanilla...maybe bitter almond.
 
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Hi Celeste, have you tried dulcinea or Madeleine? THey both have dominant cocoa notes.

With just natural fragrance materials, I am pretty restricted. All of the current AL fragrances are all natural using only essential oils and absolutes. Cocoa absolute is very distinctly "cocoa", but not necessarily what you'd smell in a synthetic perfume advertised to be chocolate- like the ones from comptoir sud pacifique or aquolina chocolate, or a few others I've snifffed.

Anyway, I just wanted to explain that I've only got 1 cocoa "note" to produce a chocolate scent... and it's not really true, dark or necessarily lovely on it's own... It's hard to describe. Most natural fragrance materials smell somewhat odd by themselves. Some smell awful (such as black currant buds) but when combined with other oils, they are just gorgeous.

Working with synthetic fragrances, a perfumer might have lots of chocolate options. Up until about 5 years ago, there wasn't a natural chocolate option at all, actually- then they started producing cocoa absolute in France, and I thought I was in heaven, started using it in the colorwashes and lipbalms and everywhere I could!

K




Reddish Hair • Blue/Green eyes • 1YL or 00 Glissade normal skin/dry in winter • Clear and High Contrast coloring- I can wear pretty much anything... and I do! • Clarisonic/Vitamin C/Baby Quasar/Retin A/ NuFace junkie • Love Rocks! and Elemental Lustres shadows • I always wear lots of black with a bright color and match my eyeshadow to my clothing... love breaking the rules • 1970 baby... that makes me how old?

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CelesteMcC
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Hi Kristen,

Thanks so much for checking in. Your explanation makes perfect sense! Actually I've tried Madeleine and did notice and love the cocoa note! Unfortunately, -- just my skin chemistry, I'm sure -- once it dries down the cocoa note fades -- still yummy, though.

I admit I also wonder if there's even a market for it, anyway. Origins had a kind of "aromatherapy" cocoa fragrance some years ago and it was very nice; but they don't make it anymore.

But, a gal can dream... and will just continue enjoying the lippies and colorwashes!
 
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Originally posted by Mineral Makeup Maven:
Hi Celeste, have you tried dulcinea or Madeleine? THey both have dominant cocoa notes.

With just natural fragrance materials, I am pretty restricted. All of the current AL fragrances are all natural using only essential oils and absolutes. Cocoa absolute is very distinctly "cocoa", but not necessarily what you'd smell in a synthetic perfume advertised to be chocolate- like the ones from comptoir sud pacifique or aquolina chocolate, or a few others I've snifffed.

Anyway, I just wanted to explain that I've only got 1 cocoa "note" to produce a chocolate scent... and it's not really true, dark or necessarily lovely on it's own... It's hard to describe. Most natural fragrance materials smell somewhat odd by themselves. Some smell awful (such as black currant buds) but when combined with other oils, they are just gorgeous.

Working with synthetic fragrances, a perfumer might have lots of chocolate options. Up until about 5 years ago, there wasn't a natural chocolate option at all, actually- then they started producing cocoa absolute in France, and I thought I was in heaven, started using it in the colorwashes and lipbalms and everywhere I could!

K


Quick interesting (to me) factoid about real cocoa and chocolate:

In fragrancing, all scents can be reduced to groups of molecules. One of those groups is indoles, which are present in white florals (jasmine, tuberose, gardenia), chocolate, and, among other things, fecal matter.

Now, this is NOT gross - without the indoles, chocolate would smell and taste like a plastic, scratch-n-sniff version of itself. It's the indoles that keep it real, authentic, deep, complex, genuine.

So, that Red Faceff" smell K mentions is definitely in there, and NEEDS to be in there. And yes, when you sniff pur cocoa absolute, it does not smell mouth watering. Smells a little bit sour.

And sugar doesn't smell "sweet" either - sort of like gym shoes or something similar.

But blended with other things, oh my, do these things sing!

-b.


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My coloring - Fair, naturally curly dark red hair, freckles (light golden), combo to oily skin, use 1W Glissade and/or Voile, although I can and have worn 1Y, 1Y/L, and 1Y/L/00 at different times. Would describe my coloring as neutral - not a classic Autumn, not really a Winter, maybe more of a Late Fall?
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LOL, bridget, I was going to go into a little detail about what some of the fragrances smell like on their own (at least their undertones at first whiff) but I thought I'd spare you girls...

I don't currently use tuberose or gardenia absolutes in any fragrances, but I do have both. They are both heady and stinky. But when a tiny amount is diluted in perfumer's alcohol, they are divine.

Black currant buds straight out of the bottle can knock you out.

If you want to get into perfumery, there's two books that I really liked.

Essence and Alchemy by Mandy Aftel
http://www.amazon.com/Essence-Alchemy-Mandy-Aftel/dp/15...id=1192928683&sr=8-1

and the other book is Fiction, it is actually a murder mystery type... unf

Perfume: the Story of a Murderer by Patrick Suskind

http://www.amazon.com/Perfume-Story-Murderer-Patrick-Su.../103-0191988-1219072

I actually see that this was made into a movie (?!) I will have to check it out, most books I love made into movies really stink. One of my favorite books is the Mists of Avalon (marion zimmer bradley) the TV miniseries they did just destroyed it... I hate it when beloved books are put onscreen!!!

happy reading...

K




Reddish Hair • Blue/Green eyes • 1YL or 00 Glissade normal skin/dry in winter • Clear and High Contrast coloring- I can wear pretty much anything... and I do! • Clarisonic/Vitamin C/Baby Quasar/Retin A/ NuFace junkie • Love Rocks! and Elemental Lustres shadows • I always wear lots of black with a bright color and match my eyeshadow to my clothing... love breaking the rules • 1970 baby... that makes me how old?

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Bridget and Kristen,

Fascinating! My husband worked for a candy-maker; he was in data processing. But you could tell what the factory was making at some distance... and all that chocolate, in such large quantities (even real dark chocolate) was actually very unpleasant! Don't know if it's based on the same principle (indoles) but fascinating.

Checking out that book on Amazon...
 
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Kristen,
I LOVED Essences and Alchemy, a fascinating read! I actually read it while I was sampling all of your fragrances, it really enhanced that particular reading experience.
Ha! I also love the movie Mists of Avalon with Angelica Houston (I guess this would be the miniseries?) I think it was beautiful! But since you say the movie pales in comparison to the book, then I must read the book!

Madelaine is probably my favorite of your natural fragrances. So warm and sweet.


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CelesteMcC
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While we're on the topic... for you perfumery mavens... what is it that gives so many commercial (non-AL!) perfumes that unpleasant, heady (but not nice-heady), headache-inducing tone? The thing that seems to last even after alcohol dries down? It seems to appear across the board in "commercial" perfumes cheap and expensive alike today.

I remember my grandmother's old perfumes (like Fleurs de Rocaille, Joy, L'Air Du Temps) NOT having that.

Can anyone name what it is I'm talking about? I'm not overly sensitive to odors, but that quality puts me off so many modern "popular" scents. Thank heaven there are the few companies like AL than make something simply smells lovely without that chemical-y note.

I've just always been curious about this!
 
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Essences and Alchemy is a great book, so is the one by Chandler Burr on Luca Turin, one of the great noses of our time. That one goes into both chemisty of scent and physiology of smell, very interesting. And Kristen, I just rented Perfume: A Story of Murderer and found is beautiful and dreamlike, sort of like Chocolat in a way. Def. I have to read the book!

Celeste, you might be sensitive to aldehydes, a group of chemicals that on their own generally don't have much of an odor, but when combned with other ingredients lend a certain sparkle to a blend. Chanel No. 5 is almost pure aldehydes, I think. And I think that this is a category to which many are sensitive.

Now, on the other hand, white florals can be tough for people. I get physically ill when around them, even nautral essences. Tuberose, Gardenia, Jasmine, but especially Lily of the Valley. Headache, nausea, the whole thing. So it can be a very personal thing. Ozonic notes are prevalent in lots of scents made today, and I think they can be problematic, too.

-b.


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My coloring - Fair, naturally curly dark red hair, freckles (light golden), combo to oily skin, use 1W Glissade and/or Voile, although I can and have worn 1Y, 1Y/L, and 1Y/L/00 at different times. Would describe my coloring as neutral - not a classic Autumn, not really a Winter, maybe more of a Late Fall?
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http://www.knittingtango.blogspot.com
 
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Thanks, Bridget! I am ordering Essences and Alchemy. Fascinating explanation. Interesting about white flowers, too (I rather like them but have noticed that the actual flower is lovely but the perfumes are a bit too --.) And I've never liked Chanel #5, you may have hit on why!

Looking forward to the book...
 
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i'm the same way with white florals. i was in the store getting groceries last night and someone passed by and her perfume made me nearly pass out... instant migraine, etc. a lot of perfumes bother me so i don't know if i'm sensitve to more than that. chanel no. 5 makes me ill too. I dunno guess i'll just stick to my patchouli.


30 yrs old ~ starving artist ~ hair: black (naturally dark brunette) ~ eyes: hazel ~ skintone: extremely fair with freckles, burns easily, and quite sensitive ~ 50/50 mix of G-X & G-1WL ~ http://www.myspace.com/nadja_sabine

"The question is not Can they reason, nor Can they talk, but Can they suffer?" ~ Jeremy Bentham
 
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nadja, her perfume was probably something synthetic that bothered you- it's natural (and super costly) fragrance materials sniffed straight out of the bottle that I was talking about. Very costly white floral absolutes are gorgeous and delightful when diluted in perfumer's alcohol and combined with other absolutes and essential oils in a blend. On their own, they can smell "rank" if you stick your nose up to the bottle. As bridget mentioned, a lot of these have chemical composition containing indoles. Indoles are also found in human sweat and fecal matter. A lot of flowers with very strong fragrance will also have this "undertone". From across the room, they smell amazing, but get your nose up into them, and it can be something you "just can't quite put your finger on" that suddenly offends you...

Anyone know what I mean? Hyacinths, Lilies tend to do this!

I have a technical explanation somewhere for why synthetic perfumes tend to reek and make us sick, but I have to look it up to make sure I word it correctly- it's been a while since I've explained it to anyone. So I'll look it up when I get a chance... but it has to do with the chemical composition of the fragrance materials and the fact that natural materials evaporate quickly, while synthetics don't...

The original Chanel No.5 was probably incredible... nothing like what they're selling today. I wish I could smell some of the original classic fragrances as they were originally made with natural frgrance materials. That would be so amazing!!!

K




Reddish Hair • Blue/Green eyes • 1YL or 00 Glissade normal skin/dry in winter • Clear and High Contrast coloring- I can wear pretty much anything... and I do! • Clarisonic/Vitamin C/Baby Quasar/Retin A/ NuFace junkie • Love Rocks! and Elemental Lustres shadows • I always wear lots of black with a bright color and match my eyeshadow to my clothing... love breaking the rules • 1970 baby... that makes me how old?

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"her perfume was probably something synthetic that bothered you"

it could very well be. i just know a lot of fragrances, particularly florals, bother me synthetic or not. i'm sure it has a lot to do with how they are mixed. it's really quite interesting how it all works.


30 yrs old ~ starving artist ~ hair: black (naturally dark brunette) ~ eyes: hazel ~ skintone: extremely fair with freckles, burns easily, and quite sensitive ~ 50/50 mix of G-X & G-1WL ~ http://www.myspace.com/nadja_sabine

"The question is not Can they reason, nor Can they talk, but Can they suffer?" ~ Jeremy Bentham
 
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this is a great convo! i love all this! i used to dream of being a perfumer.

is there an AL scent with a lot of cinnamon? i would love a cinnamon scent- NOT in a bad holiday candle or mall store way! those bad christmas candles are horrible! i want a true cinnamon, not too heavy, but delicate and warm. i smelled a scent like this once somewhere and now i forget where/what.

BTW, while i personally wear scent mostly for myself, i think i have heard that some testing showed that cinnamon a scent that men find most sexually alluring. i think cinnamon rated first, and pizza came in second. (what the...?- pizza?) please no pizza, though!
 
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LOL, I dream of being a florist!


You might want to try Isobel, it has a spicy base- has some cinnamon in it.




Reddish Hair • Blue/Green eyes • 1YL or 00 Glissade normal skin/dry in winter • Clear and High Contrast coloring- I can wear pretty much anything... and I do! • Clarisonic/Vitamin C/Baby Quasar/Retin A/ NuFace junkie • Love Rocks! and Elemental Lustres shadows • I always wear lots of black with a bright color and match my eyeshadow to my clothing... love breaking the rules • 1970 baby... that makes me how old?

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